[nsowatsk]

Hi

When can we expect MyEclipse to install with Eclipse 3.2 please?

Many thanks

Nathan

[Scott Anderson]

Nathan,

Eclipse 3.2 is scheduled to ship at the end of June, 2006. Traditionally,
we’ve begun supporting new Eclipse releases late in their milestone process,
once the APIs have been frozen. This historically occurs right after
EclipseCon in March. The reason for this delay is that while a new version
of Eclipse is in active development, it’s literally impossible to keep up
with all the breaking code changes. Once the API freeze occurs, it finally
becomes possible to begin support, but even then we’ve found we’ve still
been required to ship new versions for every new Eclipse milestone. As a
result, we wait until the API freeze to keep from supporting multiple code
streams for any longer than possible. Thank you in advance for your
understanding.

[Andrew Freeman]

Scott,

Is 3.2 release going to make it easier for you to keep up sice Eclipse will be persisting the refactoring changes in CVS?

Thanks,
Andy

[Scott Anderson]

Andy,

That’s unknown. However, the real problem with “keeping up” is that the Eclipse team simply goes through large refactorings and changes to API’s during it’s normal work and often doesn’t work on doing backward compatibility work until late in the delivery cycle. For example, right now in 3.2 there are several public API interfaces that the Eclipse team has simply added methods to. This breaks backward compatibility, plain and simple, so you have to “pick” which version you want to run on.

[Ey�un Nielsen]

Well, I have just installed MyEclipse 4.1M2 on Eclipse3.2M4 – and it seems to work just fine… 😀

[Update:] Ooops! 😀 I was a bit too fast there! Dosen’t seem to work that well yet after all… The new image editor works though! 😀

[ekkehard]

I know, its not easy to go early with the new milestones of eclipse,
but its possible;-)

most eclipse plugins I’m using are open source,
only two commercial:

Instantiations SWT Designer Pro and Exadel Studio Pro –
and now I’m evaluating MyEclipse.

Instantiations is always great: I can download versions for
3.0, 3.1 or the newest 3.2M4
Exadel and MyEclipse always need much longer – unfortunately
this prevents from real-testing 3.2M4

so I think its worth to think about a developement process supporting
more then one line of eclipse.

ekkehard

[Greg]

ekkehard,

I don’t claim to know the entire breadth or depth of other products that extend eclipse, but I do know what our tool covers and its quite large (EJB,Web,Ear,Spring,Hibernate,UML,Tapestry,WYSIWYG,DBtools,JavaScript/AJAX,ImageEditor) and that is just off the top of my head. So you could imagine that the reason others might have an easier time keeping up-2-date with latest eclispe milestones is that they just don’t have the same amount of API coverage or breakages as we do. Also, we feel that many of our users would rather us continue to push our feature set into new areas and improving existing features instead of spending development time trying to keep up with APIs that will change and will likely change again before later milestones of eclipse.

But we appreciate your comments and will take notice of them as we are always shifting our priorites in respond to our user’s demand.

[Alexandru Popescu]

A short addition: 3.2M5(a) (released Febr17th and updated Febr 23rd) is considered API freeze. From the release plan (http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_plan_3_2.html):

Friday Feb. 17, 2006 – Milestone 5 (3.2 M5) – stable build – API complete – API freeze
Friday Mar. 31, 2006 – Milestone 6 (3.2 M6) – stable build – feature complete – development freeze – lock down and testing begins.

An additional question: has anyone tried the combination 4.1.1 with 3.2M5(a)? Are there any known issues?

BR,

./alex
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.w( the_mindstorm )p.

[Jim Farley]

I’ve tried 3.2m5a with 4.1.1, and the same set of issues still exist (not surprisingly). Error dialogs pop up when using certain editors, some functionality doesn’t work, etc.

[Chris]

You know, I remembered this sitting in my hotel room the day EclipseCon ends.

I really did mean to brace you guys about this, but I was too busy admiring the Tom Bihn laptop bag. Damn you, R. (Yes, even a 5-letter name was too much to remember. It really is a snazzy bag 😉 ).

So, what IS the status on integration with the 3.2-stream builds? M5 has been API-stable for a month, now. Is there something we can get and use?

[Jim Farley]

MyEclipse announced 3.2 support in 5.0. So I think we’ll have to wait for a beta of 5.0 before we get anything usable with Eclipse 3.2.

[Chris]

I can’t say I’m happy to hear it, but at least it puts a timeline on things before I can use my IDE again :/

It’s at least possible that the parts of MyEclipse I use will still work — I can try, at least.

Thanks.

[Jim Farley]

Give it a try. I gave up on it myself because of the constant error dialogs it generates (when opening JSP pages, when debugging code, etc.). But there are some things that basically work.

[tdurkin]

Does the release of 3.2M6 last week, with hopefully stable APIs, mean that a build of MyEclipse is coming soon? I can’t wait to try Eclipse/MyEclipse on my 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro.

[Scott Anderson]

Yes, it does. We’re planning on making the first milestone build of MyEclipse 5.0 (for Eclipse 3.2) available by the end of April. Thanks for haning in there. 🙂

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