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@support-rkalla wrote:
Let me know if it works, that’s one of the THE biggest installs of Eclipse plugins I’ve seen and we don’t test with Yoxos’s all-in-one setup so if you do run into errors with MYEclipse my next step would be to guide you to a clean download of Eclipse 3.2 SDK and then MyEclipse and that’s it, make sure those are working then slowly adding on more.
The functionality we ship is going to overlap a huge amount of what I imagine Yoxos bundles, so even if everything technically worked, I can imagine the presentation of it all being a little confusing (e.g. 6 editors for a .xml file or something like that).
I tried this and it didn’t work. Eclipse was completely unstable. When I attempted to install the plugins I need, Eclipse would become unstable again. Everytime I wanted to check for updates I would get a ton of errors and then Eclipse would crash. Ss I decided a different approach was necessary.
Kevin,
There is nothing bad going on here. This is standard plugin processing by the Eclipse platform. Many many projects have similar dependencies, these dependencies are listed in a plugins manifest file. Eclipse goes through plugins and loads their dependencies on “Boot”. All you are seeing here is a ton of duplication messages because the dependency was already loaded.I mentioned that MyEclipse is built ontop of WTP, so we ship WTP, but you installed WTP separately. So you are going to get a whole slew of messages pertaining to WTP, EMF, GEF, Draw2D, etc. about already being loaded from somewhere else. There aren’t errors, just informational notices.
Anytime you deal wth a project as large as MyEclipse (more than 180 plugins) you are going to get large amounts of dependency overlap like this *especially* with tier-1 dependencies like EMF/GEF.
I can understand what you are saying.
However, all the wonderful geeks in the world have to remember — if it’s listed in an error log file (PDE ERROR View)
and it has an ugly red circle and it says error — then everyone is going to think it’s an error and that there is something
wrong.Had all these messages come up with a little blue “i” saying that there were duplicates and that this is normal and
we are only telling you about it for informational purposes — then, I would have treated it as informational and not
worried about it. BUT IT DIDN’T — it came up as ERRORS.Although you are too polite to say this, I am basically stupid because I don’t seem to know that THESE errors aren’t
really errors and I can safely ignore them.Seems like poor design to me but then I’m just a user in this instance and apparently geekness is more important than
user experience. I wonder when the open source world will learn that user experience is important because we’re the
ones that recommend the stuff to bosses and CIO’s when we aren’t those things ourselves.The whole point behind OO coding is that there shouldn’t be these sorts of issues at all. Since this stuff is all supposed to
be coded in Java, either that’s an endictment on Java or on the process of managing software, which means we haven’t
learned anything in the last 40 years because we’re still making the same mistakes. We had these kinds of dependency
problems back in the good old days of Fortran and COBOL.Basically what you are saying is that I can stop worrying about all those pesky errors and just plod along.
Sorry, I can’t do that – an error is an error and it should be fixed. Information is only as good as the
presentation.Thanks for listening. Sorry to rant.
Kevin
Wow, Kevin take a step back for a second. I thought the errors you copy/pasted above were from a log file not from your Problems view. I *absolutely* agree with you there is a problem if you are having all these errors listed in your problems view, that’s not acceptable.
Also no need to climb up on the soap box (well not yet atleast), I would never try and argue with you that a sucky user experience, however technically correct it is, is an acceptable thing. MyEclipse is a commercial product, we need to make money. If our product sucks or offers a poor user experience, users will move elsewhere and we can’t afford to have that happen.
Now with all that aside, what is the best way for me to go about getting my hands on Yoxos’s Eclipse Callisto build to start testing MyEclipse and figure out what is going on here? I would have to do this on my own time, so no promises on a turn around time right off the bat.
My apologies for jumping so far. The errors were copied from the log file, but they are also showing up in the PDE Error View.
I should have taken more care in the first post to make sure that all the information was labelled properly.Sorry for climbing on my soap box. I apologize for landing on you. My frustration has been mounting and mounting for a long
time with respect to both Linux issues ( not really relevant here) and Eclipse issues and I mistakenly blew up here.The best way to go about getting the Yoxos distribution is to go to http://www.yoxos.com/ and download it. It’s free to
download. Here’s what I did — I just added everything in the Yoxos distribution to my download – I was testing and playing –
and then just unzipped it to a new directory.On a good note, MyEclipse, despite the errors, appears to load and work – at least I was able to create a Web Project and add
JSF to it. I haven’t tested anything more than that.I’m quite willing to wait and I’m quite willing to help. My dream is to help make the Eclipse/MyEclipse et al driving experience fun
and valueable.No worries.
Ok from this page: http://www.yoxos.com/ondemand/
I clicked the link-gtk download (http://download5.yoxos.com/callisto/eclipse-linux-gtk-callisto.tar.gz) and am letting that download. Is that the right version?
@support-rkalla wrote:
No worries.
Ok from this page: http://www.yoxos.com/ondemand/
I clicked the link-gtk download (http://download5.yoxos.com/callisto/eclipse-linux-gtk-callisto.tar.gz) and am letting that download. Is that the right version?
Hm, No. That’s just Callisto but does not include all the rest of the plugins.
You need to get to http://www.yod.yoxos.com/geteclipse/W4TDelegate
then there will be a windowish looking explorer on your screen. there should be three folders on the left – Callisto, Eclipse.org, and 3rd party
click each folder and add it to the scheduled download – it takes a while and should end up being about 700Mb (WOW).
