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I have been using MyEclipse for some time and I believe it a very good product for a given price model. I just got in touch with new beta release of 2.8 and was expecting a big push in productivity drive with Struts development (as stated in your road map) and also with Hibernate support. Instead I saw only some minor changes in the web flow and additional WYSIWYG editors. (Web Flow is currently very poor and buggy)
I have also seen several users requesting for Hibernate support, yet it was simply ignored for some reason. WYSIWYG is definitely a nice feature to have but not the utmost importance when things like WebFlow
in Struts RAD is not working properly.
I like to ask MyEclipse Team to compare it with products like Exadel Studio, its features and its “web flow” which I guess is 3 times better than yours .
Also I find that MyEclipse is trying to squeeze several features (Struts, EJB, …) into one product. This causes delays in features which some developers want more urgently. So I think you should break the product into at least 2 parts – one for J2EE & web development (as currently) and other for Persistence (MyEclipse Hibernate Studio – perhaps).I just got in touch with new beta release of 2.8 and was expecting a big push in productivity drive with Struts development
I think we added quite a bit there. All the wizards were updated with more features, new wizards were added, the outline was improved, there is now a form-based editor for each item we create with wizards (right-click on an item in the Outline and select ‘Edit’), the flow view was greatly enhanced, and we added the base for JSF support going forward.
I have also seen several users requesting for Hibernate support, yet it was simply ignored for some reason.
On the contrary, we’re working on the design and development of hibernate support right now. It just didn’t make it into the first beta for 2.8 due to the amount of work required. It’s still on the 2.8 plan though.
WYSIWYG is definitely a nice feature to have but not the utmost importance when things like WebFlow
in Struts RAD is not working properly.Sure, but it’s not the same resources working on each. What I mean is, not doing WYSIWYG HTML wouldn’t have made the web flow work go faster as they’re different developers with different skillsets. Both are proceeding at full speed. Although the web flow still has a good way to go to become the full-featured editor we envision, it’s still worlds better than the experimental preview of the features we showed in 2.7.2, and it will continue to improve with each release. We labeled it ‘experimental’ in 2.7.2 because it was, and it’s still certainly beta quality only, which is why it’s in the beta.
I like to ask MyEclipse Team to compare it with products like Exadel Studio, its features and its “web flow” which I guess is 3 times better than yours .
And ten times more expensive too. 😉 However, we’ve been closing the gap on flow tools rapidly and will continue to do so with each new release. Just give us a little time on it — we just started down that road a little while ago.
So I think you should break the product into at least 2 parts – one for J2EE & web development (as currently) and other for Persistence (MyEclipse Hibernate Studio – perhaps).
That’s an interesting suggestion. We’ve kicked that idea around internally to and may go down that road in the future, but I’m not really sure as I’m not the one that makes those decisions. Thanks for the suggestion and your continued support and feedback. In spite of what it may seem at times, we really do listen to you guys. 🙂
@p_tuladhar41 wrote:
I like to ask MyEclipse Team to compare it with products like Exadel Studio, its features and its “web flow” which I guess is 3 times better than yours .
I have to say that workflow tools such as Exadel are totally unappealing to me. My wishe is for Myeclipse to remain a lightweight layer of web oriented tools on top of the Eclipse framework. Struts (while definately not simple) isn’t rocket science.. adding GUI tools to make it easier just seems silly.
At this point I have to add a disclaimer that I’ve moved to eclipse from a text editor since refactoring is so cool and steadfastly resist the silly sugar coating the so called “RAD” tools give. Eventually I guess these tools will render handcoding obsolete, but we’re so far from that now it’s not worth the effort.
I’d much prefer a very mature suite of editors.@ivar wrote:
@p_tuladhar41 wrote:
I like to ask MyEclipse Team to compare it with products like Exadel Studio, its features and its “web flow” which I guess is 3 times better than yours .
I have to say that workflow tools such as Exadel are totally unappealing to me. My wishe is for Myeclipse to remain a lightweight layer of web oriented tools on top of the Eclipse framework. Struts (while definately not simple) isn’t rocket science.. adding GUI tools to make it easier just seems silly.
At this point I have to add a disclaimer that I’ve moved to eclipse from a text editor since refactoring is so cool and steadfastly resist the silly sugar coating the so called “RAD” tools give. Eventually I guess these tools will render handcoding obsolete, but we’re so far from that now it’s not worth the effort.
I’d much prefer a very mature suite of editors.100% agree.
I am talking here of “WEB FLOW” from Exadel Studio which is a product similar like MyEclipse but “more expensive” and without EJB support. What you are stating is “WORK FLOW” which is also another product from Exadel.
WEB FLOW or flow view support in Exadel is much better than MyEclipse, that was what I meant. It has reached a staggering version of 6.0 !
Also thanks Scott for the detailed reply, I wish MyEclipse team all the best.@ivar wrote:
I have to say that workflow tools such as Exadel are totally unappealing to me. My wishe is for Myeclipse to remain a lightweight layer of web oriented tools on top of the Eclipse framework. Struts (while definately not simple) isn’t rocket science.. adding GUI tools to make it easier just seems silly.
I couldn’t agree more with ivar. I own the Exadel tool mentioned, and in truth, its easier to edit the files by hand than it is to use it. I haven’t tried the Wizards yet in the latest, as I’m waiting for the M9 release, but I’m hoping its along the lines of:
Enter Path:
Enter Type
Enter Form Bean (if not using Dyna).Generate.
I haven’t tried the Wizards yet in the latest, as I’m waiting for the M9 release, but I’m hoping its along the lines of:
You mean the MyEclipse wizards? Yes they are just like this, in the m9 release they include the ability to use existing classes (before they always created a new class) and also the ability to fire up the wizard after the fact on an existing element to edit the values (instead of playing with the XML by hand).
Its pretty slick actually, the new flow view is really great as well.
Another opinion: I am not a huge fan of the visual flow stuff for Struts. I would much rather see EL parsing and auto completion, uml style visual management of Hibernate config files with database/class synchronization capabilities!
And I totally agree with Ivar.
