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I would also have to vote for a JSF visual editor. In fact, I am going to have to request my company for a license for Exadel’s JSF Studio (after recommending MyEclipse). The project that we are going to kick off soon made a change of direction from Struts to JSF and I realized the JSF support in MyEclipse is not up to what we will need.
bosakm,
We will be interested to know what features of JSF Studio your team finds the most valuable, this may help us more accurately prioritize the JSF tooling that we have planned.Mainly, the visual navigation rules configuration (similiar to the current Struts Designer in MyEclipse), the JSP editor with it’s palette support.
Also, the fact that it comes with MyFaces embedded helps. We made the decision to adopt MyFaces as our JSF implementation because it has some attractive added features (i.e., role based configuration of UI Components).
BTW, right now, my team consists only of myself. I’m tasked with re-working a portion of the website we use to configure our application to see if Faces is as advertised.
Thanks,
MartyActually if MyEclipse would be able to bring out a JSF extension which is able to sort of marry Hibernate/JDO and JFS visually you would have a winner on your hands. Most solutions I have seen so far, either went the way, JDBC only (which most developers hate)
or visual only code the db stuff yourself.Let’s look at some short hand math real quick from a napkin I found in the office:
Genuitec Loves it’s Customers
+ We like staying in business
+ Customers want visual JSF editing like the Struts tooling
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4.0!!!I’ll leave it up to you guys to decipher this 🙂
Hi Riyad,
If I could decipher your message correctly does it mean that visual JSF support is coming in release 4.0
and not 4.1 as mentiontened in your website and forums!
Planning of visual JSF for release 4.1 is probably the most biggest blunder MyEclipse team has done in my view.
There are so many potential customers waiting out there for a better JSF building tool as you already know. Other products such as JBuilder, Sun Studio and Exadel has already released 2 subsequent versions.
So MyEclipse is lagging way behind. If its released in 4.1 (August) I guess a stable version would be available only by end of year 2005. I simply wonder why such “core” component that is critical for MyEclipse is released so late.
Was is not anticipated or was it not thought ?
I wished MyEclipse has put more resource on building better JSF support and quality of its product !If I could decipher your message correctly does it mean that visual JSF support is coming in release 4.0
and not 4.1 as mentiontened in your website and forums!Well that is the goal anyway. There are like 4 new huge tools comming in 4.0 and a lot of behind the scenes work getting ready for our 5.0 release late this year… it’s killing us to say the lease but we are trying to deliver it anyway 😀
Planning of visual JSF for release 4.1 is probably the most biggest blunder MyEclipse team has done in my view.
To avoid confusion, I am not talking about a visual page designer YET, that will come, I am referring to flow-design of the faces-config.xml file much like our Struts editor does now.
Other products such as JBuilder, Sun Studio and Exadel has already released 2 subsequent versions.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed this or not, but our product doesn’t cost $4,000. So that gives us approximately 1/133th the amount of revenue to work with to deliver the SAME feature sets. I’d say we are doing pretty damn good.
I wished MyEclipse has put more resource on building better JSF support and quality of its product !
I can understand your convinction, but you are preaching to the choir here. When you say “JSF” we say “How high!?”, you just need to give us a chance to roll this out in stages, it will not happen over night but it will happen gradually so we can get feedback and enhance the features as we go. 2005 will be “The Year of the RAD” for us, so we only ask for your patience.
